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Butterfingers




PostSubject: Lack of website updates   Tue 01 Dec 2015, 1:36 pm

What has happend to the website it used to be so sharp at posting fixtures & results yet now you are lucky if they are on by the following week.

This is not a criticism just a question if there is issue's in getting things posted that someone may be able to help with.

You don't ask you don't get
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Blackie
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PostSubject: Re: Lack of website updates   Wed 02 Dec 2015, 9:46 am

To be fair if you do ask this question you still don't get... In fact you'll be lucky if your post is just not deleted.

Please someone from the league just come on here and tell us what is happening...!!
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bretty1
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PostSubject: Re: Lack of website updates   Wed 02 Dec 2015, 6:57 pm

The forum used to be somewhat entertaining and informative and even a laugh. Now unfortunately it is nothing really. we were told a new up to date forum with all the latest was about to be launched. What happened ?
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Web_Manager




PostSubject: Re: Lack of website updates   Wed 02 Dec 2015, 6:57 pm

I guess that all of these 3 topics

http://allianceleague.topic-zone.com/t6359-top-goalscorers

http://allianceleague.topic-zone.com/t6370-website

http://allianceleague.topic-zone.com/t6324-fixtures



In which I've answered openly and honestly about varying web aspect, and not deleted any posts still means you should openly criticise and make inaccurate comments?

For what it's worth, I've been out the country for a while, so that's why there has been no update.

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Web_Manager




PostSubject: Re: Lack of website updates   Wed 02 Dec 2015, 7:05 pm

And you've never been informed a new forum is being launched.

The forum is the responsibility of all the managers, players and people associated with the league to make the most of it. If people aren't participating and making it as good as it used to be, that's the responsibility of the registered users taking part (or not taking part as the case maybe)
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Blackie
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PostSubject: Re: Lack of website updates   Wed 02 Dec 2015, 7:29 pm

Web_Manager wrote:
I guess that all of these 3 topics

http://allianceleague.topic-zone.com/t6359-top-goalscorers

http://allianceleague.topic-zone.com/t6370-website

http://allianceleague.topic-zone.com/t6324-fixtures



In which I've answered openly and honestly about varying web aspect, and not deleted any posts still means you should openly criticise and make inaccurate comments?

For what it's worth, I've been out the country for a while, so that's why there has been no update.


Which inaccurate comments are you referring to?
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Web_Manager




PostSubject: Re: Lack of website updates   Wed 02 Dec 2015, 7:40 pm

Thatif you ask a question you don't get an answer & or it will be deleted.

In over 3 years I have probably deleted 1 post, which I can tell you was fully justified, and I've answered every question asked.

I just don't answer repeat questions over again.
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Blackie
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PostSubject: Re: Lack of website updates   Wed 02 Dec 2015, 8:19 pm

Well the last subject on this matter was deleted. Don't know by who but it was deleted - fact.

I personally appreciate that you are the only (ex) committee member to explain what is happening but I think the key question that has never been answered is - When will the site be back to the 1st class service it once was?

I appreciate that you Web Manager are not in a position to answer this as you have now stepped aside but thank you for your explanations (past and present) and thank you for previously helping to make this a fantastic site.

Comments from Gordon or Morley would therefore be greatly appreciated...

In defence of Bretty I think he was referring to the new site and not necessarily a new forum within but they come hand in hand. A slick up to date website will attract more viewers and hence more forum comments.

This website is the only connection to the running of the Alliance League for 90% of the players and hence a poor out of date site gives the wrong perception of the league. I guarantee I hear somebody every Sunday mention about the goalscorers, fixtures or tables not being updated.

The Alliance League is the best league in Leicestershire - a quality website will help it remain that way
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Web_Manager




PostSubject: Re: Lack of website updates   Wed 02 Dec 2015, 9:04 pm

The reasons I stepped aside, amongst other personal reason was the fact I know that the Web Site needed redevelopment and advancement that I could just not complete. I know what level the web needs to go to, and some enhancements that's needed and I simple don't have the capability.

Given Morley / Gordon's current status with the league, I'm not sure how much they would be involved with this process. There would be more prominent members that would probably best to update.

I can't stress enough sometimes how demoralising it can be when sometimes you make an effort as a volunteer only for crticism to be in the public domain.

I understand completely there has been a lack of communication, and that's it's not entirely acceptable. However if you pick up the phone and ask people directly, I'm sure they will be more inclined to have a chat about it

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Polska legend II
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PostSubject: Re: Lack of website updates   Wed 02 Dec 2015, 9:48 pm

As far as I know the goalscorers and league tables are up to date. It also seems the fixtures are there giving all the games for 29 November. I am also aware that it is possible a 'new' website will continue to be worked on early in the new year. Mark did a cracking job but when all is said and done we are volunteers and unless someone comes in that has the expertise and capacity to spend many hours building a new website then we are at the mercy of external companies, one of whom I believe is working on the new website. But as the current information seems to be relevant and correct (as I believe it is most weeks) then I think we are pretty much on top of the situation albeit in far from ideal circumstances.
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karlos




PostSubject: Re: Lack of website updates   Thu 03 Dec 2015, 7:51 am

why cant the league pay someone 'lets say' £250 per month as an incentive?
that way, the web site gets attention it needs,
someone gets a little something for their time and effort,
and everyone gets the benfits of a fully updated website on a weekly basis.

surely a smallish figure of £250 P/M is reasonable given the amount ot teams in the leagues?
increase registration costs by a quid, i'm sure no one would mind so much?

maybe this has already been looked at, or it is not feasible,
but maybe it could work.
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karlos




PostSubject: Re: Lack of website updates   Thu 03 Dec 2015, 7:53 am

just seems there is a lot of effort to update the site,
and a hell of a lot of info to input.

where is the incentive?
you have to respect the volunteers for doing what they have done.
especially when they do get some grief from time to time.
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Web_Manager




PostSubject: Re: Lack of website updates   Thu 03 Dec 2015, 8:22 am

I appreciate your support of the volunteers and call for incentives. You make some good points. Plus highlighting the amount of greif they get, however £250 a month? Just for the season that would be £2,250. That's over 22 teams registration fees.

If you then start paying somebody that kind of money, why would the registration secretary, the press officer, fixture secretary, referee secretay, league secretary who all do the same amount of work (if not more) on a daily basis not expect the same? Just because these roles aren't as public eye as much doesn't make them any less important.

Once you start paying money on such scales, you are setting a very dangerous precedent. If all these roles got anywhere close to what you saying the league would be in the red in the blink of an eye.

People may argue the website does need specialist skills, and to an extent youd be right. But the other roles come with many things that I wouldn't put up with (such as reorganising fixtures and referees late on a Saturday night).

I will be honest, and you can see in the public accounts. The league paid £500 to have the website built. I got nothing for my first year in charge (nor did I request anything), £200 for the following couple of years, and £400 for last year. A portion of which was to cover some specific updates. This season, I won't get anything as I've resigned and am merely supporting the league until the new development is in place. That's about £1,300 for around 4 years work and a new website. I can't tell you anything about the new agreement, what it's costing, or how it's been run. Bit these figure are required to be published.

When you volunteer to the league, you do it as just that. You don't come on board to earn money. It's the same reason your club managers and secretaries run your clubs. It's for enjoyment purposes. Without any of these people, you wouldn't have a league.

This why I will staunchly defend all the members of the commitee who do roles day in day out on top of their normal lives. People moan about why fixtures aren't readily available etc, but they don't see the bigger picture.

Yes we've had some bad people doing certain roles, but these quite often don't last.

You all get to vote in members of the commitee, and you all get the chance to have your say at the AGM. Alternatively you can contact and speak to the league any time. Posting on the forum (especially under banter section) is quite often not the best way to get the point across.
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karlos




PostSubject: Re: Lack of website updates   Thu 03 Dec 2015, 4:25 pm

Well said and duly noted:

maybe £250 p/m was dramatic, and given i have no idea on the leagues finances a little off target.
however, can the website not be simplified in any way?
maybe some form of new format to enable quicker more prompt editing in favour of the web manager?
people not having a go' they are just trying to give positive feedback,
which entail can also come across as criticism.
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Aussie Owl
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PostSubject: Re: Lack of website updates   Fri 04 Dec 2015, 8:58 am

A good response from Web Manager and I agree with all that has been said by him on this occasion.

I have known him for many years and have enormous respect for him although sometimes my enthusiasm has been frustrated.

Equally, I appreciate the interest shown by Carlos. Suggestions on how the League could be mage even better are always welcome. This is a Forum, but please make your suggestions in a supportive way. Volunteers are always welcome.

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Web_Manager




PostSubject: Re: Lack of website updates   Fri 04 Dec 2015, 9:06 am

The web can be simplified and modified, but I've had to hold my hands up and say I don't have the capability to do it. I'm not embarrassed to admit it. This along with my unavailability on Sunday's due to personal circumstances are the reasons I resigned. I simply acknowledge the league needs more than I can give.

I am not a web developer by trade, I have no previous experience of web development. I happened to fall into the role as a member of the commitee who may have been able to provide a solution to the issues we were facing with the old site.

Providing what I have been saying to the commitee for years is taken on board, the new site should have the features should address your concerns.

And Mr Owl.....it's been an experience, mostly a pleasurable one Very Happy
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Polska legend II
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PostSubject: Re: Lack of website updates   Sat 05 Dec 2015, 5:42 pm

Im still not sure of where the major problem lies given most if not all of the website is currently up to date?

The league committee put in literally hundreds of man hours that far outweighs any contributions they may receive.

Volunteers are definitely the way forward but despite our large football Alliance community there are very few prepared to put their money where their mouths are!
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bretty1
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PostSubject: Re: Lack of website updates   Sat 12 Dec 2015, 3:46 pm

Any fixtures next week?
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